I need help with 3 coins

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Hello @all,
ive those three coins in my collection for years now and I still dont know how to grade them.
It would be nice if you could tell me your meaning about those coins. Condition, Value and what else..

Coin1 is a 1/4 Patagon without date minted in Flandern
Coin2 is a 1/4 Patagon without date minted in Tournai
Coin3 is a Gigot 1618 minted in Maastricht

If better pictures are required, please let me know.
Thank you in advance for your meanings!
Kind regards from the Eifel
Frederik

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Does noone have an Idea?? What ive seen as 'VF' on the web, didnt look as good as my coins. That was the reason for my Question.
But well,
still thanks alot to everyone who thought about my question.
Have a nice day
KR
Frederik

[RobKooy (Overleden)]

Hello Frederik,
Just two days perhaps is too short a time for getting any reactions. Have some more patience and see what reactions you will get.
Rob Kooy

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Hello Rob,
thank you for your hint. I didn't want to be impatient! It seems like ive been too long away from this Forum and too spoiled by a big german coinforum where they answer very fast.
Anyways i was not sarcastic on my second post. But my englisch isn't the best, but my dutch is worse .
Thanx again and kind regards from the Eifel
Frederik